Joe Rogan Experience #2264 - Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

Joe Rogan hosts retired Air Force Master Sergeants Jay and Logan, who discuss their involvement in a UFO disclosure documentary. Jay recounts his childhood UFO sighting and later experiences with a non-human intelligence (NHI) during his military service. He describes a telepathic encounter with an alien seeking materials for craft repair, revealing insights into advanced technology. Logan shares his UFO sightings and involvement with the UAP task force. Both guests emphasize the existence of multiple alien species, including Grays, tall whites, and reptilians, and express concerns about government secrecy and public awareness.

• The podcast features a discussion on UFO disclosure, with guests who have backgrounds in the Air Force and intelligence.
• Both guests, Jay and Logan, are retired master sergeants from the Air Force and were involved in intelligence roles.

"I'm a retired master sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 2007, started off as an airframe guy, ended up in Intel."

• Jay's background in the Air Force led him to have strange experiences that were unclassified, allowing him to come forward.

"I had some strange experiences that I could talk about that were unclassified, so I came forward."

• Logan also served as a master sergeant and was part of the UAP task force, encountering Jay and others involved in the UFO disclosure documentary.

"I'm also a retired M sergeant from the Air Force, started off as a B-52 crew chief, cross-trained into Intel, retired after 21 and a half."

• Jay recounts a childhood UFO experience with his mother, involving a red orb near his home.

"It was just a Red Orb that came down... hovering near the bottom of my street."

• This early experience was significant but filed away until later in his career when it became relevant.

"I didn't really get an interest in UFOs... I just thought it was strange."

• Jay describes an experience on a mission where he intercepted calls discussing the presence of non-human intelligence (NHI) in a program.

"We intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about an NHI presence in the program."

• The conversation involved discussions about interviews with NHI and the implications of not returning equipment and prisoners.

"If we don't return the equipment and the prisoners, there's going to be some bad things happen."

• The discovery of NHI was a pivotal moment for Jay, changing his perception of UFOs and alien contact.

"I got really convinced that this was real when I was at right Pat on a mission."

• The guests discuss the retrieval of alien technology and biological entities from crash sites.

"They asked me if I wanted to be part of the retrieval program... they're talking about biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash."

• The retrieval of alien tech is valuable for reverse engineering and developing advanced technologies.

"The idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the tech."

• There is a distinction between forcible and mutual landings of alien crafts, with some being controlled by consciousness.

"Some of these crafts are manned and piloted by consciousness."

• The podcast delves into historical incidents like Roswell, exploring theories of how radar might have caused the crash.

"The most accurate account is the one where the microwave radar waveform upset the onboard avionics."

• The guests discuss the Virginia crash in Brazil and the implications of electrical storms on alien crafts.

"There was some sort of crazy electrical storms that night."

• Theories about alien craft vulnerability to radar and storms are debated, with skepticism about their plausibility.

"It just seems dumb that radar could take them out."

• The conversation explores the motivations of NHIs and their interest in human development and technology.

"They probably have a curiosity as well... why else would they explore?"

• The possibility of aliens monitoring human progress and preventing self-destruction is considered.

"Maybe they know this... maybe it's a precarious thing and maybe it has to be monitored."

• The guests speculate on the structure of alien societies and their potential similarities to human governance.

"They can get along in their own society much better than we can."

• The discussion includes speculation on the evolution of alien life forms and their potential biological structures.

"There's got to be some Grand Design... they're all standing upright."

• The possibility of genetic engineering and the adaptation of superior biological structures is considered.

"It could be genetic engineering too... maybe they say look, it doesn't matter what you look like anymore."

• The concept of consciousness-driven technology and the integration of beings with their crafts is explored.

"The being and the craft are one... consciously."

• The guests discuss the lack of traditional controls in alien crafts, suggesting advanced mind-control interfaces.

"There's no gears, there's no levers to turn... everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are one."

• The potential for meditation and psionics to interface with alien technology is mentioned.

"Some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light on to how this happens."

• The idea of aliens influencing human emotions and perceptions during interactions is considered.

"If they can get into our minds... why can't they put love into you?"

• The podcast concludes with reflections on the broader implications of alien contact and the potential for shared experiences and technologies.

"It seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways."

• The guests emphasize the need for continued exploration and understanding of these phenomena.

"We need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came forward about the psionics team."

• The military is often the primary interface with UFO phenomena, which raises concerns about the limited human perspective in these encounters.
• Many individuals are bypassing government channels to explore direct communication with UFOs through methods like remote viewing and out-of-body experiences.
• The evolving nature of human consciousness is prompting questions about the necessity of government mediation in UFO experiences.

"The military happens to be unfortunately the face of humankind here in this situation when it comes to the program because it's definitely not the public."

• This quote highlights the military's predominant role in UFO encounters, suggesting a narrow perspective that may not fully represent humanity.

"We don't need you anymore because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is they can talk to these things directly themselves."

• The speaker argues for bypassing governmental involvement, emphasizing the potential for direct communication with UFOs by individuals.

• The speaker expresses a personal reluctance to engage in summoning UFOs, citing cultural and personal fears.
• Experiences with UFOs can profoundly affect individuals, potentially disrupting their lives and perceptions of reality.
• Childhood experiences with UFOs are common, and children may be more open to these phenomena due to their lack of preconceived notions.

"I tell everybody I'm Black and I'm afraid of the woo."

• The speaker humorously conveys personal and cultural apprehensions about engaging with the unknown or paranormal.

"After you have a first experience... you're always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had."

• This quote draws a parallel between profound UFO experiences and the pursuit of a euphoric first experience, suggesting a lasting impact on individuals.

• There is speculation about historical attempts by extraterrestrial entities to contact children, possibly to prepare humanity for future interactions.
• UFO sightings and encounters have been documented across cultures and time periods, with similar descriptions of entities and experiences.
• The stigma associated with UFO encounters is gradually lifting, but past experiences of ridicule still impact individuals' willingness to share their stories.

"I believe from the mid 1950s all the way up to the mid 1990s I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children."

• The speaker suggests a historical pattern of UFOs interacting with children, possibly as preparation for future contact.

"It's constant. I think the Australia one's real similar too."

• This quote emphasizes the global consistency of UFO sightings, with similar incidents reported in various countries.

• There is ongoing debate about whether UFOs are extraterrestrial or have been present on Earth for a long time.
• Aboriginal and ancient depictions of beings resembling modern UFO descriptions suggest a long-standing human awareness of these entities.
• The possibility of misinterpretation and the complexity of communication with non-human intelligences are acknowledged.

"We're just sort of assuming that these things are definitely from another planet that they're not here and they haven't been here all along."

• This quote questions the extraterrestrial origin of UFOs, suggesting they might have always been part of Earth's history.

"These are Aboriginal drawings or Aboriginal paintings."

• The speaker references ancient depictions that resemble modern UFO descriptions, indicating a historical awareness of these entities.

• Personal accounts of UFO encounters vary widely, with some individuals reporting telepathic communication and others experiencing physical manifestations.
• Skepticism and scrutiny are essential when evaluating UFO claims, as people may fabricate stories for attention.
• The speaker shares a personal encounter with an unusual being during a military operation, highlighting the challenges of distinguishing genuine experiences from illusions.

"I was like, holy crap, so let's get to your experience why don't you tell everybody what happened."

• The speaker introduces a personal encounter, setting the stage for a detailed account of an unusual experience.

"He's got no freaking ears and his eyes are twice as big and I just I'm like yeah what the hell did I just walk into."

• This vivid description of an encounter with a non-human entity underscores the surreal and unsettling nature of such experiences.

• The narrator describes a telepathic interaction with an extraterrestrial being who communicated despite language differences.
• The being requested a material called "trinum," which was initially misunderstood as titanium.
• The extraterrestrial expressed disdain for military bases, referring to them as "barbarians and murderers."

"So he's actually saying words, but it doesn't sound like anything I've heard before, but you're understanding what he's saying."

• This quote highlights the telepathic aspect of the communication, where understanding transcended spoken language.

"This wave of emotion hit me like disgust: 'I am not going to talk to those barbarians and murderers.'"

• The being's strong emotional reaction against military bases underscores its negative perception of human military practices.

• Trinitium was identified as a material the extraterrestrial needed, though it was initially confused with tritium.
• Tritium is a radioactive isotope used in various applications, including watches and weapons.

"Trinitium...that's what he said. And what is trinitium?"

• This quote reflects the confusion and eventual identification of the material the extraterrestrial requested.

"Tritium is...a rare radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half-life of 12.3 years."

• The quote provides a scientific explanation of tritium, distinguishing it from the mysterious trinitium.

• A 3D rendering of the extraterrestrial's craft was created, closely matching the witness's description.
• The being's physical appearance was notably different, with distinctive eyes and a shorter stature.

"There's a three-dimensional image of The Craft as well that is really spot on from what I saw that day."

• This quote emphasizes the accuracy of the 3D rendering in capturing the craft's appearance.

"His eyes almost came out to the temple."

• The quote describes the extraterrestrial's unique physical features, contributing to its otherworldly appearance.

• The extraterrestrial conveyed technical information about a part it needed through a telepathic "catalog."
• This information was later confirmed by scientists as highly advanced and precise.

"It was like he opened a Sears catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed."

• The quote illustrates the detailed and technical nature of the telepathic information transfer.

"I just said you got that part and you know that it has that nanosized atomic level layering that can't be reproduced."

• This quote highlights the advanced nature of the information shared, aligning with existing scientific knowledge.

• The encounter left a lasting impression, affecting the narrator's perception of consciousness and civility.
• The experience fostered a sense of connection to a broader consciousness and a pursuit of inner peace.

"It changed me...Imagine the entire human race...you can feel who I am, my personality, and share in all of that."

• The quote reflects the profound impact of the encounter on the narrator's understanding of consciousness.

"That feeling of peacefulness and civility is what I've strived for; it never has left me."

• This quote underscores the enduring influence of the encounter on the narrator's personal growth and aspirations.

• Sharing the experience with others has been challenging due to skepticism and the extraordinary nature of the claims.
• The narrator has faced intimidation and concerns about safety when discussing the encounter publicly.

"It's very hard to believe...what, you talk to an alien? Most people are going to think you're ridiculous."

• The quote captures the skepticism and disbelief often encountered when discussing extraordinary experiences.

"They've already messed with my clearance...they were trying to intimidate me because they don't want you talking about this."

• This quote highlights the external pressures and risks associated with sharing the encounter publicly.

• The discussion touches on the Roswell incident and the reluctance of authorities to address it openly.
• There is a suggestion of mishandling and secrecy surrounding extraterrestrial encounters.

"They don't like talking about it...they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation."

• The quote suggests a consensus within certain circles about the mishandling of the Roswell incident.

"Here they are treating these people like they're just some kind of a lab experiment."

• This quote criticizes the perceived unethical treatment of extraterrestrial beings by authorities.

• The conversation explores broader theories about extraterrestrial presence and government responses.
• There is speculation about government strategies to obscure or manage public perception of extraterrestrial activities.

"If you were the government and you knew that there were nonhuman intelligence...would a way to sort of obfuscate that be to launch a bunch of our drones as well?"

• This quote presents a theory about potential government strategies to manage public awareness of extraterrestrial activities.

"You have no idea how many people have said that already...you're going in the right direction."

• The quote acknowledges the prevalence of theories suggesting government manipulation of public perception regarding extraterrestrial phenomena.

• Discussion on why the government might withhold information about non-human intelligence and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP).
• Concerns about lying to Congress regarding budgets and resources for secret programs.
• Ethical implications of keeping such information from the public and the global community.

"Why would you leave the Americans afraid of what's flying over their head?"

• Raises the question of public right to know about potential extraterrestrial presence.

"They're making decisions for the entire human race not just America but the whole race."

• Highlights the global implications of withholding information about non-human intelligence.

• The personal and professional consequences faced by individuals who disclose information about UAPs.
• The struggle with security clearance and employment after whistleblowing.

"I've been out of work since August of last year."

• Illustrates the personal cost of coming forward with information about UAPs.

"It looks like DOD is trying to reactivate it but month by month by month it just sits there."

• Describes bureaucratic obstacles faced by whistleblowers.

• Encouragement for public participation in reporting and analyzing UAP sightings.
• Development of an app, Phenom, for public reporting of UAP and paranormal events.

"I created an app to do that...an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted like events."

• Describes the initiative to involve the public in UAP research and data collection.

"The idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded and then look for the outliers."

• Explains the goal of collecting and analyzing data from multiple sources for accuracy.

• Discussion of various types of non-human entities reportedly encountered: Tall Whites, Grays, and Reptilians.
• The reluctance to discuss certain entities, particularly Reptilians.

"I know of what two mainly tall whites Grays those are the main."

• Identifies the main types of non-human entities discussed.

"Every time that they were mentioned it was really quickly hushed up by whoever else was on the other end of the line."

• Indicates the sensitivity and secrecy surrounding Reptilian entities.

• Speculation on the origins and nature of non-human entities, including interdimensional and ancient terrestrial origins.
• Theories about advanced civilizations existing alongside or before humans.

"Tucker Carlson believes that they've always been here and that this idea that they're coming from another planet is not it's not that simple."

• Suggests a theory that these entities may have been present on Earth for a long time.

"Is it possible that some of them could have evolved to a certain point know that something bad's going to happen they're so Advanced they go off world and then they come back and go hey what happened here."

• Proposes the idea of ancient advanced civilizations leaving Earth and returning.

• Claims of advanced technologies developed from non-human materials.
• The role of military and defense contractors in reverse-engineering and utilizing these technologies.

"I call that exotic material Andor whatever you want to call it but we get our hands on that and about every you know 10 years we get a breakthrough on it."

• Describes the process of technological advancement through reverse-engineering non-human materials.

"We are in possession of technology that is many many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate."

• Asserts the existence of advanced technology beyond current public knowledge.

• Anecdotes of interactions and communication with non-human entities.
• Stories of entities being held or cooperating with humans.

"He actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him Escape."

• Describes an entity convincing a human to assist in its escape.

"They had recovered parts of one and they were trying to complete it and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the the portal."

• Discusses attempts to use non-human technology to create portals.

• Discussion of classified high-resolution evidence of UAPs that remains unreleased to the public.
• The challenges and criteria for declassifying such evidence.

"There's some really really good clear highdef stuff out there that can't explain you can't explain you you're just sitting there going."

• Indicates the existence of clear evidence that remains classified.

"The classification is one thing but when you don't know if something is a threat you automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible."

• Explains the reasons behind withholding information due to uncertainty about threats.

• Theories about non-human entities residing underwater or underground to avoid detection.
• Notable locations like Puerto Rico and the Cuban Atlantis as potential sites of non-human activity.

"The C underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are two of the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes."

• Suggests that non-human entities might be using Earth's oceans and underground spaces as hiding places.

"There's a whole bunch of activity going on around Puerto Rico."

• Mentions specific geographic areas with reported non-human activity.