TAYLOR SWIFT & MATTY HEALY SPLIT: Why Good Girls Go For Bad Guys | Shallon Lester

The host, after returning from a European vacation, discusses plans to share insights on Formula One driver Max Verstappen, drawing parallels between his sociopathic traits and lessons listeners can learn. The conversation shifts to Taylor Swift's recent breakup with Matty Healy, examining the media's portrayal of Swift's relationships and her struggle for privacy amidst public scrutiny. The host critiques Swift's pattern of dating "edgy" men like Healy, suggesting it may stem from a desire to be seen as more indie and credible in music. The host also touches on the concept of "kill the cheerleader," where individuals seek partners who reflect their own image and values, rather than opting for radical differences. Additionally, the host invites listeners to join the 'shalantrage' community for advice on making significant life changes, like moving or changing social circles.

• Shallon Lester expressed excitement about being back after a vacation and missing her audience.
• She discussed her trip to Europe, mentioning places like Monaco, Geneva, Paris, and Germany.
• Shallon plans to do a story time on her trip and a video on Max Verstappen, comparing him to Sidney Crosby.
• She finds Max Verstappen interesting, describing him as a bit of a sociopath in a "cool" way, from which she believes there is a lot to learn.

"I'm gonna do a whole story time on my trip to Europe and because I want to also talk about someone who is a central figure in my trip to Monaco and Geneva and Paris and Germany Max verstappen the Formula One driver if you're an F1 fan you know he's like the best in the world. he's kind of the like Sidney Crosby of Formula One if you know what that is I do."

The quote outlines Shallon's intention to share her European travel experiences and her fascination with Max Verstappen, drawing a parallel with hockey player Sidney Crosby to emphasize Verstappen's excellence in his field.

• Shallon Lester warns her audience that she is not feeling well, having been sick with stomach issues.
• She humorously dismisses any speculation about pregnancy.

"I'm not feeling good I've been sick most of this week my tummy is just upset I've been super nauseous for like two days I'm not pregnant I'm not pregnant it would be like the Christ child be like the Immaculate Conception please please honey if you're in the show Entourage you know all about what's going on."

Shallon provides a personal update on her health, clarifying her symptoms and preemptively addressing any potential rumors about pregnancy.

• Shallon Lester invites her audience to join the Chalantrage, her online community.
• The community offers five new videos a week, insider stories, and bonus advice.
• Upcoming discussions in the Chalantrage will focus on moving and making big life changes.
• Shallon shares her personal experience of moving from New York City to Montana during the pandemic.

"so on the salon trash I'm doing a whole bunch of videos talking about that move how you can make a huge shift in your life how you can make friends there's two secrets to making friends I'll tell you what dating has been like the pros and cons of dating Big City versus small town is it like just like a Charming rom-com out here sometimes."

Shallon introduces the Chalantrage as a supportive community where she plans to share videos on making significant life transitions, such as her move to Montana, and offers advice on making friends and dating in different environments.

• Shallon Lester discusses the end of Taylor Swift and Matty Healy's relationship.
• She expresses her dislike for grown men with "y" at the end of their names and jokes about the brief nature of the relationship.
• Shallon plans to dive into the details of why the relationship may have ended.

"okay let's talk about Taylor and Matty Matty Healy you know what you know you know nothing has changed since I left I will not be referring to him as Maddie."

Shallon briefly touches on Taylor Swift's recent relationship with Matty Healy, indicating her personal stance on the formality of his name and hinting at a deeper discussion on the topic.

• Shallon Lester shares her insights into how celebrity relationships are often portrayed by the media.
• She explains that sources quoted in the media are often the celebrities themselves or their PR teams.
• Shallon gives examples of other potential sources, such as step-siblings and hairdressers, who may leak information due to jealousy or lack of loyalty.
• She criticizes the way Taylor Swift has handled her public relationships, particularly regarding privacy and the portrayal of seriousness.

"the New York Post has a source listen I worked in Celebrity Journal you know what I'm going to say nine times out of ten the sources are the celebrities themselves. it's their PR persons their spokesperson putting source quotes out there to spin the narrative in a way that's advantageous to their client or to themselves right the other people who are sources I remember working at Star it was a lot of Step siblings so it's like they're related to them not really where it's like um you're my family. but I also hate you you know it there there is the lacking of that blood bond that keeps someone like honest and loyal it's not there hairdressers never shut up uh."

Shallon reveals her perspective on how celebrity news often comes from the celebrities or their representatives, aiming to control the narrative. She also discusses other potential sources of celebrity gossip and their motivations.

• Shallon Lester suggests that Taylor Swift had a "fun little artsy fling" as a contrast to her relationship with Joe Alwyn.
• Joe Alwyn is described as a "sweet golden retriever," "nice," "sweet," "unproblematic," and like "a bowl of oatmeal."
• The implication is that Taylor Swift's relationship with Joe Alwyn is stable and uncontroversial.

"I think the tailor yeah had like a fun little like artsy fartsy fling because this dude is the opposite of Joe Allen Joe Alwyn one of you guys said it right when I asked you on Instagram you go from a sweet golden retriever to a rat and just based on the teeth alone. I think that that's very accurate Joe Alwyn just seemed yeah golden retrievery nice sweet unproblematic um sort of like a bowl of oatmeal."

The quote reflects Shallon Lester's opinion on Taylor Swift's relationship choices, suggesting a move from a stable relationship with Joe Alwyn to a more unpredictable fling. The descriptors for Joe Alwyn emphasize his perceived wholesome character.

• Matt Healy is characterized as the "artsy guy" with whom Taylor Swift can connect over music.
• There is speculation about whether Healy worked with Swift on her last album, "Midnights."
• The discussion implies that Joe Alwyn might be uncomfortable or suspicious about Swift's professional interactions with Healy.

"Matt Healy. though. yeah. like The Artsy guy I'm so Indie and he can connect with her about music didn't they work on midnights her last album together."

This quote discusses the potential professional collaboration between Taylor Swift and Matt Healy, highlighting their common ground in music and the indie scene, which could be a source of tension in Swift's relationship with Joe Alwyn.

• Shallon Lester expresses a strong dislike for the audience attending Taylor Swift's "Eras Tour," describing them as "dorks" and "goobers" based on their attire.
• There is a critique of the culture surrounding Swift's concerts, including the use of phrases like "this is a safe space for you."

"I would rather spend a weekend in Rikers Island than go to the Taylor Swift's eras tour based solely on the other people who are going to the tour it's the who's who of what the are you wearing just dorks these people probably aren't dorks but man they're doing a good job of pretending based on the outfits they wear to these shows it just looks like a goober Fest just goobers."

The quote conveys Shallon Lester's negative opinion of the fan culture at Taylor Swift's concerts, using derogatory terms to describe the fans and their fashion choices.

• Shallon Lester describes an "amnesia phenomenon" where a fan reportedly blacked out from excitement at a Taylor Swift concert.
• The phenomenon is attributed to sensory and excitement overload, though Lester expresses skepticism about its legitimacy.

"There's like an article on it that it's like a thing this chick was in like the Delta lounge with me. and she was like overhearing her. I was coming back from Europe and she was some like she was wearing those shoes with velcro on them do you know what I mean she was not my kind she was not my people velcro shoes what are you four years old they have dinosaurs on them too she was saying that she like blacked out during Taylor Swift show like she can't remember it because it was like sensory overload and it was like excitement overload."

The quote discusses an anecdotal account of a fan experiencing memory loss during a concert due to overwhelming sensory input, with Shallon Lester expressing disbelief and criticism of the fan's attire.

• Matt Healy was involved in a podcast where offensive comments were made, including mocking ethnic accents and making derogatory remarks about Taylor Swift and her mother.
• Healy's response to the controversy dismisses the significance of his comments, suggesting that people are overreacting or pretending to be hurt.

"Maddie dismissed the offense of his controversial comments have made claiming it doesn't actually matter nobody it doesn't actually matter nobody is sitting there at night slumped at their computer and the boyfriend comes over and goes what's wrong darling and they go it's just this thing with Matty Healy that doesn't happen if it does you're either deluded you are sorry a liar."

The quote captures Matt Healy's reaction to the criticism he faced for his controversial comments, indicating his belief that the backlash is not genuine and that the offended parties are either lying or delusional.

• Shallon Lester discusses the concept of an "industry plant" in the music business, using Ice Spice as an example.
• There is confusion over Ice Spice's dental appearance and speculation about whether her success is organic or manufactured by the industry.

"Everyone says she's an industry plant I had to kind of look up what that meant because I didn't really understand it it means like the industry the music Biz like picks this person kind of arbitrarily and and just makes them famous like grease is the wheel so that they're getting played on radio and like because why was she picked to make the Barbie uh song in the Barbie soundtrack before she anyone knew who she was."

This quote explains the term "industry plant" and presents the case of Ice Spice as a potential example, questioning the authenticity of her rise to fame and her involvement in the Barbie soundtrack prior to widespread recognition.

• Shallon Lester discusses Taylor Swift's tendency to be attracted to "edgy" individuals like Harry Styles and Matty Healy, despite being more compatible with "dorks" like herself.
• Taylor Swift's public persona is characterized as non-edgy, aligning more with individuals like Connor Kennedy, Joe Alwyn, and Tom Hiddleston.
• Lester suggests that Swift's attraction to edgy people is incongruent with her true nature, and she should embrace dating those who are similar to her.

"Taylor Swift who wants to dabble who wants to be like I'm so edgy she always likes to dance close to that flame people like Harry Styles right Maddie Healy. it's not her. she is much more Connor Kennedy she's Joe Alwyn. she's Tom Hiddleston."

The quote expresses the opinion that Taylor Swift's authentic self is akin to the personalities of Connor Kennedy, Joe Alwyn, and Tom Hiddleston, rather than the edgier personas of Harry Styles or Matty Healy, thus suggesting she should pursue relationships with individuals who reflect her genuine personality.

• Lester criticizes the expectation for celebrities to be "good and pure," noting that historically, rock stars have been known for their wild and controversial behaviors.
• The concept of celebrities, especially rock stars, having to maintain a wholesome image is challenged, with Lester advocating for the acceptance of their more unconventional and potentially problematic actions.

"I've never understood this new wave of like celebrities have to be like good and pure when has that ever been that's just so weird to me rock stars. they they have you do Coke off their dicks trust me. I know. like. yeah. they're gonna say weird stuff and watch weird porn and make bad mean jokes that's kind of the deal does what it says on the tin."

This quote emphasizes the historical image of rock stars as rebellious and non-conformist, suggesting that the expectation for them to be morally upright is a recent and unrealistic development.

• The discussion touches on the common desire for a partner who appears "bad" but possesses a "heart of gold," indicating a preference for someone who is outwardly different but fundamentally similar.
• Lester highlights the human tendency to seek out partners who are slightly different as a means of feeling adventurous while still wanting a partner who shares core similarities.

"We all kind of like the bad boy because listen we don't want the bad who's bad to us that sucks we want the guy who seems bad but he's got a heart of gold."

The quote captures the idea that while people may be attracted to the allure of someone who seems rebellious or dangerous, they ultimately desire a partner who is kind-hearted and shares their values.

• Shallon Lester urges self-awareness in recognizing that people often seek partners who are much like themselves, rather than radically different.
• The concept of "kill the cheerleader" is introduced, referring to the idea that people may seek revenge on those who belittled them in their youth by dating someone who represents the opposite of what those individuals valued.
• Lester argues that predictability in a partner is often more desirable than the unpredictability that comes with dating someone who is very different.

"Maybe the lesson is merely self-awareness here that when we act like we want to date someone so different than us do we."

This quote suggests that individuals should be introspective about their true dating preferences, questioning whether they genuinely desire a partner who is different or if they are simply conforming to societal expectations.

• Lester discusses the illusion of wanting spontaneity and adventure in a relationship, pointing out that people often desire these qualities within a controlled spectrum.
• The conversation reflects on how people claim to want unpredictability but typically prefer a partner who aligns with their own interests and lifestyle.

"You want spontaneity within a very finite. Spectrum okay when you say spontaneity you mean we're just gonna get sushi like that's what you mean not like we're gonna shave our heads. and we're gonna rob a bank."

The quote illustrates the idea that people's proclaimed desire for spontaneity is often limited to safe and familiar experiences rather than truly unpredictable or extreme actions.

• Shallon Lester concludes by advocating for the acceptance of dating someone similar to oneself, rejecting the notion that one must seek out a partner who is drastically different to prove their adventurousness.
• The importance of dating someone who adds to your life without completely changing it is emphasized, along with the notion that liking oneself is a valid reason to seek a similar partner.

"I like myself I want them to to add in I want them to be like me but add in more things."

This quote reinforces the theme that it is healthy and acceptable to want a partner who is similar to oneself, with the added benefit of bringing new experiences into the relationship without altering its core dynamic.

• Shallon Lester reflects on the intensity of adolescent crushes and the subsequent hatred that can follow when those crushes lead to negative experiences.
• She shares personal anecdotes about two boys from her past who hurt her feelings, which resulted in her disliking them intensely.
• Shallon uses these experiences to question what motivates our attractions and how past experiences can influence current romantic choices.

Tanner Toby that's his real name I'm going to say his real name because he told me I had bug bite breasts so feel free to find him on the internet if you're bored. Andy Kratz my other Big Crush I asked him to dance and he said no I don't dance with dogs he's on the internet as well does anybody gets bored tonight anyway who inflamed your adolescence and why was it a crush was it hate because both of those boys I had such a crush on and then I hated them with the fire of a thousand sons and put curses on them which worked out honestly great.

Shallon Lester mentions her adolescent crushes Tanner Toby and Andy Kratz, both of whom made derogatory remarks to her. She expresses the strong emotions she felt towards them, transitioning from crushes to intense hatred.

• Shallon discusses Taylor Swift's attraction to "edgy artsy guys" and her desire to be perceived as an indie musician.
• The conversation suggests that Taylor Swift's admiration for indie artists influences her romantic interests.
• The need for validation in one's professional abilities is linked to personal insecurities and how they can manifest in dating choices.

I think it's these like we said it's these edgy artsy guys I think there's also a huge degree if these guys having the characteristics of a hurt locker which is she doesn't necessarily want to date them she kind of wants to be them like Taylor Swift would love the street cred of an indie musician every acceptance speech she gives every interview every documentary she will not shut up about how great of a musician she is and how hard she works and listen she is she has all those she's an incredible writer incredible musician amazing businesswoman but her constant need to say it means she doesn't feel like people see that right like she's forever she's like I'm a good musician it's a girl. yeah. you're selling out stadiums you've been paying 30 grand to see your show we all got it you know. but she wants to be taken seriously as this like Indie artist you know which oh I can I understand I understand.

Shallon Lester suggests that Taylor Swift has a persistent need to assert her musical talent and work ethic, which may stem from a lack of perceived recognition. This need for validation is seen as influencing Taylor's attraction to a certain type of romantic partner, who embodies qualities she admires or aspires to possess.

• Shallon advises against extremes in reacting to personal complexes, suggesting a balanced approach to understanding one's motivations in relationships.
• She warns against the pitfalls of dating to prove others wrong or to satisfy deep-seated psychological needs without self-awareness.
• Shallon emphasizes the importance of recognizing when a relationship is merely scratching an "adolescent itch" rather than fulfilling genuine compatibility.

I think all we can do and this is the middle path. okay this is the middle path is not blindly solid-sized into whatever our complexes are and just go like a dog chasing a rabbit. oh this is what I want I love it. okay that's bad that's an extreme the opposite extreme is to be so hyper Vigilant of this like you know how some people are like so afraid of turning into their parents it's like all they think about. and they turn into something completely different and equally monstrous because they're so focused on not being these things do you know what I mean you know people like that or they're just inordinately preoccupied with Revenge that they forget to live they forget to move forward. and they're stuck in the past you know you don't want to do that either you want to walk the middle path and as usual this takes the most amount of energy right to check in with yourself it's like girl just remember this is this is an itch man this is an itch relationship this is an itch fling it's all. right he's scratching that adolescent itch.

Shallon Lester advocates for a balanced approach to relationships, avoiding the extremes of blindly following one's complexes or being overly vigilant against them. She encourages self-awareness and understanding that some relationships may be more about addressing past issues than about present compatibility.

• Shallon stresses the importance of being happy and self-aware as the best form of "revenge" against those who may have doubted or wronged you.
• She advises against holding onto relationships for the wrong reasons, such as proving a point to others, and instead focusing on personal well-being.
• The discussion highlights the need to understand how past experiences shape current behaviors and choices.

but living well is happiness is because nothing nothing sticks it to your enemies more than being happy they they cannot stand it can't stand it so go out there and if you really want to get revenge be happy be self-aware walk the middle path check in with yourself understand your adolescent flames how are they informing your decisions now.

Shallon Lester concludes that genuine happiness and self-awareness are the most effective ways to counteract the negativity from others. She emphasizes the importance of understanding one's past, particularly adolescent experiences, and how they influence current decisions, advocating for a conscious and balanced approach to life.

• Shallon invites her audience to join her "Shallon Entourage" for advice on making significant changes in their lives, whether it's moving physically or making changes within their current circumstances.
• She emphasizes that movement and change can occur without physically relocating, suggesting that personal growth is possible wherever one is.

join the salon Entourage get some advice on moving if you want to take a big leap whether maybe that's moving to a different town maybe that's moving jobs maybe that's just switching Social Circles where you're at moving doesn't mean actually getting up and walking out the door you can move right where you are join this join the shalajaraj. and I will tell you how

Shallon Lester encourages her listeners to seek her guidance on making life changes, whether they involve relocating, changing jobs, or altering social circles. She defines "moving" broadly, indicating that it can also mean making changes in one's personal development or environment without physical relocation.